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I'm having a hard run with 3 pt lift cylinders lately. The one on my Massey 1855 with the FEL has a pitted shaft, and leaks down quickly. I replaced it with a spare cylinder I got from a parts tractor. All was well for two days, until I hooked on to the 3 point to pull a pallet. The rod pulled completely out of the hydraulic cylinder, and fluid went everywhere. :(

I've got 3 of these cylinders that are all needing rebuilt. Partstree shows there is a Benton and a Victor cylinder, but it's not clear how to identify which one is which? The exploded diagram doesn't show how the rod is supposed to be held into the cylinder either.

Has anyone rebuilt these before who could give some advice? Has someone identified a drop-in replacement cylinder?

I also blew my 3rd tire Saturday, and stripped something in the steering gearbox. It's getting costly keeping these things going!

Thanks, Eric
 
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Got a rabbit around there to borrow a foot from? You need something for sure. Hope the luck changes.
 

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Good luck Eric, I tried to find one the whole time I owned it. The size isn't reproduced by anyone today that I can find.
 

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Simpler just to take them to a hydraulic shop. They can match up what you would need fast, and likely cheaper than the time it would take you to source them. Not had one of these particular cylinders apart, but most have a nut on the end of the shaft, aft the piston, or the shaft simply threads into the piston itself.
 

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It's a unit that ought to sell for $140 or so, and the shop here wanted $275 to rebuild it, if they could save the shaft.
 

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It's a unit that ought to sell for $140 or so, and the shop here wanted $275 to rebuild it, if they could save the shaft.
That's a shop proud of their labor! I rebuilt a cylinder on my front end loader on my Massey 1655. The rubber components cost me less than a $20 bill (maybe $10, I forget). It took him 15 minutes just to look it up. I paid him more than he asked being it took him several minutes dealing with it. The MF1855's cylinder is easy to take apart & rebuild yourself if it only needs new seals & such.
 

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Thanks guys. I'll tear into it, it's just one of those times that everything is coming apart at once. I am learning alot, and will come out the better though!

It looks like this rod was held in with a circlip that must've let loose. I haven't disassembled the cylinder though. Maybe something else broke as well.

It looks like it might be time to just tear this tractor down and go through everything. There's a leak coming out of the side of the pump:

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I noticed the frame mount of the FEL has shifted on the rear axle significantly. These tubes clamp around the rear axle. Things have shifted to the left in this picture by about 2", although it's hard to tell from the poor quality pic.

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After looking things over, I think there's a brace missing that is supposed to connect to the base of the two pillars on the FEL assembly, and pin into the tabs under the mid-section of the tractor.

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The hoses have seen better days. None are leaking yet, but it might be about time to replace them.

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I found there's a brace missing on the hydraulic pump for the FEL that is supposed to take the rotational force too. It should connect to the side of the pump cover/gaurd on the front of the tractor:

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The fan needs some attention as well, as I work this unit pretty hard in hot weather.

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The engine has developed a significant oil leak from somewhere too:

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And a pinched hoseclamp around the lines to the FEL pump is restricting flow:

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There's various welds that are cracking, and other miscellaneous items that need attention. I think the fuel pump needs replaced, as it takes 20 cranking attempts to get it to start unless you pour some gas in the carb.

While I'm at it, I need to put a set of tires on it. I've blown 3 front ones, and one of the rears leaks down over a few weeks. It really needs some major weight on the rear wheels. And, the entire steering needs reworked. And, the lever for the 2 speed rear end has broken. And...

In better news however, the toothbar I just got for it really works well!!

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So, in the coming weeks, look for a freshen-up thread to start :)

--Eric
 

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The belly cross link is critical! It connects upward to the frame to direct the pressure to the frame. Now it has to be transferred along the length of the undercarriage of the loader. That is why it has shifted. But I don't think the missing cross plate pins to the deck mount tabs. They usually bolt directly to the frame rail sides.
 

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That's a shop proud of their labor! I rebuilt a cylinder on my front end loader on my Massey 1655. The rubber components cost me less than a $20 bill (maybe $10, I forget). It took him 15 minutes just to look it up. I paid him more than he asked being it took him several minutes dealing with it. The MF1855's cylinder is easy to take apart & rebuild yourself if it only needs new seals & such.
It's like Eric said, it needs a shaft. We're talking about the same tractor.
 

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Nice loader, but you need to replace those hoses before they burst while you have a load in the bucket and squirt hot fluid all over yourself!

I would take the hydraulic cylinders apart then go to the hydraulic shop for the seals and glands then put it back together yourself.
 

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Man, tough times for you. Sorry! I'm just getting ready to deal with my 3 point swap from my donor tractor to my user and my rusty and bent cylinder shaft concerns me. I doubt this will work ( and it's too cold to go out and look) but I don't suppose the mid mount cylinder is the same one as the rear cylinder? I could strip the old one from the donor if it was. Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread just similar stuff.
 

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Sounds like you are in need of a mid life refit for that 1855. I find it's hard to get started on one because it usually costs more and takes longer than you thought to get it done.
 

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Yeah, it looks like it's time for a tear down. There isn't much worse, then

having something else fail on you, just about every time you fire a machine

up. Sorry, I can't help you on that cylinder either. Maybe check with some

of the sight sponsers, or the some of the salvage yards that list frequently

on ebay. Somewhere on the site here, someone had come up with a good

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I had one of those cylinders rebuilt at a shop in Des Moines,IA it was almost $300! The guy said it was all standard seals....Got it home and it leaked! So they got to do it twice! Serves them right for that kind of money! I didn't have any luck sourcing one exactly like it but if I have another failure I'm going to engineer a new one into the mix! Good luck Eric, by the way I'm picking up another tractor this weekend! Snapper 1650, pretty clean unit, pics to come soon!

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I went to a shop supplying parts for big rigs and cats. They did a pressure check for free. Then they told me to take the paint and rust off the bottom of the cylinder before tapping it out. You just tap on the rod and push the bottom plate out. the pin on the bottom holds the bottom seal in. I gave the 20 for the parts and 20 for lunch. I knew I got a deal but had NO idea they charge that much for 20 minutes work. Sounds like these other shops know how to hose the customers.

Those hoses with radiator clamps are not right either.
 

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The loader hoses are fine as long as the wires under the abrasion covering are not broken. There's not usually much that abrades GT FEL hoses. Those are weather checked from years in the sun, but still functional.

Supply hoses for pumps often use hose nipples and gear clamps. That one appears to also have a split hose clamped on as an abrasion cover.
 

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Well, Dad and I got the belly brace made for the FEL. Since this is pretty much a dedicated FEL rig and won't see any belly accessories, I opted to tie the FEL belly cross mount into all four tabbed locations under the mid section.

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I'll clean it up and make it pretty when I start tearing down the tractor to re-do it. I had to put a 4th spare tire on it though Saturday just long enough to help me with some transmission work...

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This thread is kindof all over the place already, so I'll add something else. I think the FEL is a Johnson Workhorse Model 12. I have never been able to operate both sets of hydraulics on the FEL at the same time...i.e. you can't curl the bucket and raise the bucket simultaneously. Is this how this was designed? Or is it an indication that pump flow is getting weak? It'd really speed things up to be able to perform two functions together.
 
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