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Well, I've been looking for a donor rolling chassis to put my diesel in and posted an ad on the local classifieds. A guy called me last weekend and offered to sell me this:

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Never had an Ariens before, so I read up on it... aside from the problem-plagued KT series engines, they seem to be pretty good tractors. They even made a diesel version (GT18D) that uses the little brother to my Ruggerini--same block, crank, heads, etc. just smaller bore.

Anyway, I took a little "hike" into the mountains above Springville, Utah to pick this up. Here's some pics:

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Aside from getting lost 3 times on winding mountain roads, and having to turn my extended cab Chevy and 14 foot trailer around each time, it wasn't too bad... poor ol' Betsy sure struggled on some of the grades, though..

The tractor actually ran when the PO bought it from a college here in Utah. They fired it up and started loading it up on his trailer... it started clanging and stopped. They started it again, and they hard a big BAM! and a lot of oil dripping out...

yep--KT series Kohler. They had to pull it on the trailer... He unloaded it with a tractor and FEL, and we reloaded it the same way.

Here's the culprit... KT Series I engine...

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Here's a possible replacement to get it running quick:

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These seem to be great machines--front, mid and rear PTO, hydraulic 3PH and deck/snowplow lift, plus selectable between different lifts...

Manual steering <uggghh!>, but power was an option... maybe I'll get lucky and find one...

Anyway, enjoy the pics...

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Cool! Another brush! That one is a little smaller, but looks like it should work. Those seem like nice tractors, but the engines were not good. I'm surprised Kohler or the Ariens people didn't change them over to the later 18hp models as warranty.
Yeah, I was surprised that it had a Series I KT19, and that it had been used until this last year.

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Nice donor! Sounds like just what you needed for the repower!
 
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Very nice tractor. The Ariens are a very nice GT. I've only seen a few in my area but an hour north of me in MA they were popular. I was impressed by attachments that the one I was looking at. The 2 stage snowblower was huge but the hydraulic lift made it easy and comfortable. It had a very nice Curtis Cab which I did purchase.

The sweeper attachment may have limited the time on the GT. Is there an hour meter? Good Luck, Rick
 

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Those are a nice GT. They have the Dana rear axle that the JD 300 series had. One thing I have heard is that the frame can crack where it's welded to the rear axle if they are used for heavy pulling. You might want to give that area a good inspection. I think the service manual is in our manuals section. I have a still running KT17 series 1 in my 317. Still starts and runs well but is a bit noisy. I'd like to replace it before it grenades!
 

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I thought that "all" 19HP versions had power steering? and that it was optional on the other "GT" series (but not the older "S" series which is basically the same tractor)

and no I am not just saying that because my 19 HP has it either

When I was looking around to see what these machines were, between the time that I decided to get my machine and the time that it got here, that's when I saw what I did to make me think that it was on all the 19's

Mine has a KT19 "series II" which is supposed to be improved over the Series I but since I haven't had either series of KT engine apart before, I don't know the difference, just that they are both Kohler opposed-twins.

On the power steering; I have not yet had a chance to actually use my GT19, I did find out one thing that sucks about this PS system; there is no mechanical linkage between the steering column and the front wheels, just a fluid connection; I would like to find either a Magnum 18 or magnum 20 to replace it "when the time comes"

if you have to move one equipped with P/S other than in whatever direction the wheels were pointed the last time it was shut off the only way to do so is to put either a jack or a dolly under one end.....
 

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This will be great for your deisel. That heavy frame will outlast the rest of the tractor. Broom is cool, I think this might be the first time I have seen one on an Ariens.

A power steering setup from another brand, say JD or MF should work without major modification if you can't find an original.
 

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Nice tractors Smitty. The hydraulic steering takes a little to get used to as the steering wheel never returns to exactly the same place after a turn. Would make a nice loader tractor and if my memory is correct there is plenty of room under the hood for the diesel.
 

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wow, great landscape in Utah - the pics membered me my last tour to Norway! Thanks for the pics and the infos, Smitty!
 
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Very nice tractor. The Ariens are a very nice GT. I've only seen a few in my area but an hour north of me in MA they were popular. I was impressed by attachments that the one I was looking at. The 2 stage snowblower was huge but the hydraulic lift made it easy and comfortable. It had a very nice Curtis Cab which I did purchase.

The sweeper attachment may have limited the time on the GT. Is there an hour meter? Good Luck, Rick
The hour meter is one of the "clock" type that shows a max of 600 hours before it starts over. This one reads 638, but it could be 1238, or 1838, who knows??

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I thought that "all" 19HP versions had power steering? and that it was optional on the other "GT" series (but not the older "S" series which is basically the same tractor)

and no I am not just saying that because my 19 HP has it either

When I was looking around to see what these machines were, between the time that I decided to get my machine and the time that it got here, that's when I saw what I did to make me think that it was on all the 19's

Mine has a KT19 "series II" which is supposed to be improved over the Series I but since I haven't had either series of KT engine apart before, I don't know the difference, just that they are both Kohler opposed-twins.

On the power steering; I have not yet had a chance to actually use my GT19, I did find out one thing that sucks about this PS system; there is no mechanical linkage between the steering column and the front wheels, just a fluid connection; I would like to find either a Magnum 18 or magnum 20 to replace it "when the time comes"

if you have to move one equipped with P/S other than in whatever direction the wheels were pointed the last time it was shut off the only way to do so is to put either a jack or a dolly under one end.....
There's a nice Briggs 18 hp IC engine in new condition on eBay for less than $500 right now... The same basic model as what I'm putting in mine. (unless the diesel will fit).

And, I know what you mean about the power steering with the orbital valve, although some will actually act as a pump even if the engine is off if you spin the steering wheel the direction you want to go.

I have that type of system on a Toro mower, and I'm tempted to put it on this machine. I also have a power assist system off a JD 400--this one keeps the mechanical linkage, but has a valve that piggy-backs on the drag link, and a cylinder from the tie rod to the frame. Doesn't work too bad, I understand.

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Nice GT great pics and jeez those mtns are big
Yeah, I think the lowest elevation in Utah is about 4,200 feet. We're at about the 6,000 foot level in the pics... weather was fairly warm until it started to rain... we've had an extremely warm winter here, which is troubling. We get most of our water from reservoirs filled by the winter snowpack... we're at about 15% of normal this year... we would gladly take some of the snow the East just got hit with!!

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I thought the early KT17 was the one with poor oiling... and that the GT18-above came with PS... learn somethin every day

did you get a break on the price when the motor blew? Lucky it blew before you loaded it and not after, when you got home...

sure is a nice lookin area there
I paid $360 for it as you see it... I figured the sweeper was worth close to that alone. And, since I am planning to repower it anyway, the bad engine isn't a negative, and helped keep the cost down.

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This will be great for your deisel. That heavy frame will outlast the rest of the tractor. Broom is cool, I think this might be the first time I have seen one on an Ariens.

A power steering setup from another brand, say JD or MF should work without major modification if you can't find an original.
Thanks, Shorty.

Ariens made a GT18D, which used a Ruggerini RD180--same engine as my diesel, only smaller bore. They did stretch the frame on the GT18D, though to allow the PTO end of the engine to line up with the pulleys on the front/mid PTO shaft...

We'll see what we can do--Pager 450 has offered to help me, which is great, considering the wonderful job he did repowering his JD400 with MItsubishi L3E.

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