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Simplicity two wheel tractor I.D. questions

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#1 ·
Yesterday I took a quick look at a Simplicity two wheeler that is coming up for auction soon. I have not owned nor even had the chance to look at a Simplicity two wheel tractor before so it was all new to me. In trying to determine the model and possibly the year I was able get some info off of the I.D. plates. The B&S engine plate said Model 14 FB, Serial # 316591, Type # 202511. The tractor Serial and Shift Instruction Plate was mostly faded out (I could not read the gear selection portion) but at the top I was able to read Simplicity Model FA, Serial # 17523.

After a lot of research on my computer I believe the engine is the 5 horse ball bearing/flange model manufactured 4(?)/1956. However, after further research it appears the Model FA tractor did not use the B&S Model 14 engine, instead using the 2-1/2 horse engine(?).

To my eye the tractor appeared to be original and complete including an O.E.M. 30" plow blade. The engine did not look like it had been added at a later date and the engine date would seem to possibly match the tractor year(?). However, so far I have not been able to date the tractor by its serial number.

I hope to go by the auction yard again in a few days to better examine the tractor. This time I will try to take a few pictures. Can anyone help with dating the tractor by its serial number? Also, is there some feature I can look for that would positively I.D. it as a Model Fa rather than say the Model VA which I believe used the B&S Model 14 engine?

Thanks for any help you all can offer.

Sheldon
 
#3 ·
twowheeler63,

Thanks for your response. I did find manual 990004 for the VA and 990009 for the FA. That should cover which ever model the tractor turns out to be. As I mentioned I am planning on inspecting the tractor again soon to try and determine which model it is - FA or VA. It probably is an FA since that is what is on the tractors ID plate but the period correct B&S Model 14 FB, 5 hp engine that is on it just has me curious. Probably just an engine upgrade by the previous owner.

After studying the parts drawing for both machines I can see that the transmissions are quite different which should help me in making a positive ID.

If I understand correctly then you have the VA model?

Thanks again for your help.

Sheldon
 
#5 ·
Thank you for the additional info, that is a big help and very interesting! In the short time I have been studying these tractors I have been getting confused by all of the different models and their variations. There doesn't seem to be one concise source for all of the mechanical details/differences of all of the different models through the years of their manufacture.

The VC and H models sound like the most interesting mechanically with their true differentials and HI/LO axles.

Sheldon
 
#6 ·
Thank you for the additional info, that is a big help and very interesting! In the short time I have been studying these tractors I have been getting confused by all of the different models and their variations. There doesn't seem to be one concise source for all of the mechanical details/differences of all of the different models through the years of their manufacture.

The VC and H models sound like the most interesting mechanically with their true differentials and HI/LO axles.

Sheldon
I have several different models of the Simplicity tractors, as well as their Ward counterparts.
As you may have figured out, the only difference in the H and the VC, is the engine. H is 5.75hp and the VC is 7.
 
#8 ·
Thank you, that's great. Just what I needed and I referred to it yesterday when I went back and did a second inspection and took some photos of the tractor.

What I learned through observation was that it was originally an FA but at some point the engine was changed using an adapter plate to a B&S Model 14FB 5 horse engine but retaining the dual range pulley/idler setup of the FA. Also, it now has 6.00x12 Goodyear AG tires instead of 5.00x12 tires. The shift handle will not move, maybe just the shift ball seized(?). The transmission output shaft with the dual range pulley does spin freely. The engine will turn over but only with a lot of effort. I removed the top of the oil bath air filter and it was clean inside with clean oil. I could not check the engine oil as there was only a spring loaded cap on the crankcase oil fill port. I don't know how to check the oil level on the old B&S engines. The fuel tank was dry inside and appeared to be rust free. The engine has not run for many years.

There was one major thing that concerns me about the condition of the tractor. Both of the wheel/hub assemblies have a large amount of freeplay on the axle. Holding the tires at the top and push/pulling to and fro creates a very noticeable clunk or wobble relative to the axle. The wheel lug nuts are tight, it is the hubs moving. That amount of movement would indicate to me excessive wear to the axle shaft or hub bearings?? Maybe it is just in need of an adjustment inside the hub ratchet mechanism? Looking at the parts drawings it appears the bearings (#44 and 47) are bushings rather than ball or roller bearings(?). In fact all of the bearings in the transmission/drivetrain appear to be bushings.

With your experience with these old Simplicity tractors what do you think about the tractor in general and the loose hubs in particular? Are the hubs a real problem or...? Also, are the wear parts (bearing bushings, shafts, etc.) on these old tractors still somewhat available? I am able to do most all of the mechanical work, it is the availability of parts that concerns me.

I have attached a few photos of the tractor. Unfortunately the setting on my camera was not correct so they are not high resolution images.

Thanks again for your interest. You have been a big help for me with this.

Sheldon
 

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#16 ·
I have what I believe is a Simplicity Model B with S/N SS14588R with no engine but am unsure of the model as the data plate on the top of the gear case is not readable. From what I have been able to find online, many of the features line up with those of a model B: 12" rims 1" diameter axle shafts ratcheting hubs Single speed gear case The only feature I have not seen on any picture of a model B is a trapezoidal sheet steel brace welded to the handlebars closest to the engine / transmission. I have photos that i could post but do not know how to post to this forum.
 
#17 ·
It will be a Simplicity model B or a Ward's Ho-Trac, the tag on top of the gear case would be a patent No., a pic of the tag on the side of the gear case will tell which one you have, in the pic below in the top line of icons seventh to the right you will see a paper clip, this is the attachment icon, no matter what device/platform you're using look for this icon, it will take you to files/gallery, assuming you took the pic's with your phone go to gallery and hit camera, hit pic's you want then hit done, pic's will be ready in your post, and a welcome to the site from northern michigan 👍
 

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#19 ·
Wards Ho-Trac, that is a high number so I'm thinking late 1946/early 47, excellent pic's showing a B in it's final form before being replaced with the model D later in 1947, from the pic's it appears that your tractor may even have model D engagement handles, a better pic of the handle face might add significantly to your tractors historical value, i do see another update on your tractor that resembles a later version of the the B, engine would have most likely have been a Clinton but there are many correct examples with a Briggs and Stratton in this post war time period so ether would be correct.
 
#21 ·
Jimmy G.
Thanks for your help in getting this thing identified. I have ordered new tires and will see what it takes to get it going again. Have you heard of anyone setting these up with an electric motor drive?
Stan
Jimmy G.
Thanks for your help in getting this thing identified. I have ordered new tires and will see what it takes to get it going again. Have you heard of anyone setting these up with an electric motor drive?
Stan
I have read about one being operated by a starter/generator and battery, but I think that setup would be short lived.
It's been years ago, and I don't recall the source.